Zero in the affirmative. The P320s and P365s were junk, plain and simple. About $300. Ditto; that's what i was getting at earlier Bear007 Custom Aug 25, 2021 #18 Likewise, having a finger in the trigger-guard, or a clothing draw-string, or a retention strap, or some other object, when holstering the gun exonerates the maker, as the gun is firing with a trigger press of sufficient energy and stroke as designed. Ironic that the trendsetters of yesteryear are trying to tear down the innovator of today because its Not perfected yet! and the Design isnt worked out!. It doesnt matter whether SIG is at fault or not. Was it his fault? At least the Gorilla is still evolving while the Far Right proved to be an evolutionary dead end, one of natures mistakes. This gun had been voluntary upgraded. Thats the American system at work in all its corrupt majesty. The military is already shopping for a new sidearm. I could care but that came at the expense of reliability and safety. The heads up testing was immediately finished the Sig was the winner. He points to it in the video. The use of a modified [SIG] P226 holster created an unsafe condition by allowing a foreign object to enter the holster, causing the unintended discharge.. He was told to shoot two rounds. D. Not too long after they sold a pistol to the public and United States military thats not even DROP SAFE?!? Theres a couple of possibilities. I dont care about the upgrade that should never happen. The problem with Sig is with their polymer pistols. If the military was going to go cheap then they should have thrown Taurus into the mix. Thats deflecting from the real issue. Cars have so many electronics these days, who knows what could have gone wrong! The suit mirrors lawsuits filed across the country involving the semi-automatic gun known as the P320. selling the 365 with strikers breaking? Once word of that got out there was an avalanche of sexual harassment lawsuits against Fox news. Watching all these Glock fan boys drool over these lawsuits in their tribal brand-lust is like watching the talking heads on CNN announcing Trump lost the 2020 election. The problem is non-existent. Not just police in US had issues with sig p320. Police Department, was wounded when his P320 duty gun discharged without a trigger pull while he was carrying it in a gym bag wrapped carefully with a cloth. Officer Collette was wounded in his left leg. The linkage isnt, but the way the striker leg and sear face mate up, the two materials being MIM castings, the small camming action, etc. TidalWave Professional Aug 25, 2021 #17 Bassbob said: Somehow I seriously doubt the guns just shot themselves. Hilton has filed a $15 million lawsuit alleging the P320 has a serious design and manufacturing flaw. The pistol is popular with commercial gun owners and law enforcement south of the border. Both versions of the ABC report included comments from Officer Hiltons attorney, Jeffrey Bagnell, who said, Its not credible to claim that people with this amount of training, this amount of skill are all shooting themselves. Time will tell if no. Theyre the only product that is not. Who function tests their firearm 1) with a round in the chamber, and 2) when its pointed at an extremity? Sig Sauer to Settle Lawsuit Over Alleged Safety Glitch in P320 Pistol And then theres Gunter Walker, a civilian, who says his P320 fired on its ownwhen he placed the weapon down on his nightstand, shooting him through the palm of his left hand.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, Simply put, the P320 is not safe and the lawsuits arent frivolous. That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. This is this same company that couldnt build their own freaking rifles after multiple attempts (Sig SG550 series) when that rifle had been made in Switzerland for years without issue. Golly didnt Sig catch he!! Trigger is lighter than the Glock, it took years of aggressive training to reach the point of acceptable discharges with the Glock. Sig started out rough, but a lot of agencies have decided that their modular chassis system is the way of the future. Still waiting. Just 3 days ago, a Florida Corrections recruit killed herself by a negligent discharge during firearms training. The weapon had a history of going off unexpectedly when it was dropped at a certain angle. Again, these are examples the plaintiff in this case is using to support his claim that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. They wouldnt have adopted it if was. No picture for me. The P320 Voluntary Upgrade Program is a SIG SAUER initiative to upgrade P320 pistols at no additional cost . Someone is going to read this thread and be bewildered. Slowly people are realizing they arent the only ones having issues. He wanted TTAG to convey that hes pro-Second Amendment. Back in 2017, SIG instituted a voluntary upgrade program to replace the original production triggers with new enhanced triggers designed to fix the issue that we and others observed when the pistols were dropped onto hard surfaces. But then Im not a federal LE flunky who cant keep my booger hook off the bang switch, either. The 1911 had one added, the FN 1905 had one added in 1906. Sig Sauer P320 (Christine Peterson/TNS) February 22, 2021 Ryan Morgan Gunmaker Sig Sauer is facing a new lawsuit from a U.S. federal agent who claims his holstered P320 pistol discharged without him pulling the trigger and struck him in his upper right hip. I dont know nothing about Sigs, I do know any gunm that goes off when I lay it on a table gets sold with a warning and I never touch that brand or model again. . None of the current lawsuits appear to be in any way related to the now-fixed drop safety issue and most, if not all of the allegations seem to involve upgraded pistols or those produced after the drop safety problem was identified by SIG. First off, no joke on me. SEPTA officer's handgun spontaneously fired in Philly's Suburban Station . You need a lead that can be the lightening rod and not be afraid to make an ass of themselvesit give the watcher permission to take it seriously. The cheap seats were $100-$200 and you got to watch Wrath of Khan with Shatner. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. Charlton posted to the online commercial forum Canadian Gun Nutz, describing the CBC News piece as inaccurate and promising SIG Sauer would release a statement. He had to be reprimanded by the range officer twice for unsafe handling of his pistol. The second accidental shooting happened after police supervisors internally raised questions about the safety of the SIG Sauer P320. I would trust the intelligence of a Gorilla in a zoo before any one in the Far Right. While it seems that I have a preference for battle ships, The Romulans had Warbirds. To make the striker leg pull off of the sear, you would have to impart a lot of rearward momentum and stop it suddenly. The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. This is the goal of those who would disarm us at the Post Office, as we take little Yevgeniy or little Shaquina to school, as we fulfill our civic responsibilities as jurors to judge our peers, as we travel to and through less free jurisdictions. Detective Brittney Hilton sues Sig Sauer after she says holstered P320 , 54 people all shooting themselves. BAM. Many gun makers have had issues with drop firing, unintended discharge, bad safeties This is a resource I compiled of semi-auto pistols that have been recalled or Upgraded for Safety related problems like Drop Firing, Safeties that Malfunction, Risk of Accidental Discharge, etc. The incident with the P320 - a contender for a major Canadian Armed Forces procurement of thousands of pistols and holsters that has a Aug. 3 deadline for industry proposals - occurred at JTF-2's Dwyer Hill training range just west of Ottawa. Just because someone shoots hyper-unrealistic 3 gun competition, subscribes to Recoil magazine and routinely watches their fave rave YouTube cult of personality channel shill for the latest company that paid him off doesnt make them a [emailprotected]$$. Another p320 "accidental discharge" - The Armory Life Forum 1:07. He said there has to be something wrong with the gun if this is happening to individuals with this amount of training, this amount of skill.. I cant stand Glocks but SIG P320s are junk. Bagnells and other lawsuits ABC claims at least 54 discharges and 10 suits against SIG describe instances of P320s going off dating back to 2016, prior to the upgrade. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. Sig Sauer's headquarters are located in New Hampshire at Pease International Tradeport. I didnt even touch it! Then theres the fact that the branches of the military have put the P320 design through their own batteries of testing and found it duty worthy. LEO handguns get into struggles, they get laid and rolled on, they get smacked into vehicles/doorways, they get dropped, they get drawn and holstered way more often than their civilian counterparts. In this version, Bridge City Officer Brittany Hilton tells her story of what she says happened when her P320 discharged as she was carrying it in her purse in what appears to be a SERPA holster (which has had its own problems, but thats another story). Sounds like these officers and others are attempting to cover their posteriors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu6WsSQ2_g. I dont consider the drop-bang issue a failure and Sigs response was actually above any real need, except to perhaps deflect any easy wins for slime ambulance chasers I get that. Search Texas Statutes. PSA-P320 Accidental Discharge Threads | SIG Talk PDs are dropping them from contracts. I wouldnt be surprised if she did it intentionally, she clearly suffers from a serious case of media whoring. Because its flat out bull**it. People who had problems have been replacing them with Lightning Strike SS ones. No, it doesnt. It has an unsafe takedown procedure that requires you to pull the trigger to get the slide off. The fact that Shatner was doing Wrath of Kahn meet and greets at 90 years old kind of soured me. They passed every state and national drop test requirement out there. Thats just myopic brand lust on parade. If you can make the trigger move backwards, all bets are off. U.S. lawsuits Nope. Im more of a DS9 guy. Unlawful Discharge of a Firearm: Texas Laws - The Law Office of Greg 2. Then after just three years without telling anyone they stopped all production including extra parts. I agree. Fine. Both companies, instead, took to pro-gun industry forums to offer a rebuttal, giving no opportunity to answer questions. CBC News reached out to Sig Sauer and its Canadian distributor, M.D. congrats. The P320 should be scrapped and SIG Sauer USA should redesign a new pistol around the striker firing mechanism instead of just retrofitting a hammer fired pistol (P250). Withe the P320 Sigs contract was $169.5 million, $103 million cheaper then Glock. Anyway there was one good thing to come from those movies, The USS Vengeance. Thread starter ut755ln; Start date Oct 19, 2022; Forums. Its just that with hundreds of millions of firearms in the hands of more than one-third of the countrys population including a lot of cops some number of negligent discharges will inevitably happen. There are tens of millions of gun owners, far more than there are cops, and the VAST majority of those folks buy their guns and drop them a nightstand drawer or up on a closet shelf and leave it until theyre needed. An x-ray (fluoroscope) of the mechanism in operation could show what, if anything, is happening inside the gun that might prove, or disprove, the contention that the gun is flawed. Sounds like most of these cases were off-body carry. They admitted their problem and fixed it. Use a proper holster and follow other gun safety protocols. Glock is being sued too, because once loaded and a round is chambered, it also has a much lighter trigger than a DA/SA. The company didnt want to comment on any specific pending litigation for obvious reasons. Sig fanboys are almost as bad as Glock fanboys. Funny how that works. To put it simply, they are expensive cheaply made junk. Then Weve got to go 9mm Nato. And hasnt been nothing but looking for the holy grail since. But Shatner? Milwaukee Police Report Issues With Sig P320's Discharging By Tom Knighton | 11:30 AM on October 30, 2021 AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast Several years ago, there was an issue discovered with the. But breaking news here, skippy. Unless they have to fire their weapon in an on-duty incident most officers only fire their weapons just before and/or at qualifications, which depending on the department are annual or semi-annual. In 1974 if you bought a Colt 1911, you left the gun store and then immediately took it to your favorite gunsmith and said Make it work it with Super-Vels, please. You cant get away with that today. Texas Penal Code - PENAL 42.12 | FindLaw So far I have only heard of one instance (post fix) where there was an ND and the post mortem on the gun demonstrating a mechanical failure. Third, Glock has had problems, too. In 2020, the agent, who is a former marine, was doing his routine training with the P320. As a striker-fired pistol, the P320 is "under constant pressure to fire," Bagnell said. 3 disaster is true and if it is Sig will go all out to cover it up if it was. Folks disagree on brands. A few Warbirds decloaking would make me very nervous if it wasnt sci-fi fantasy. The weapons are currently on the shelf and the soldiers have returned to using their older model SIG P226s. The latest of these suits was filed last week in US District Court in Massachusetts. On Nov. 5, 2020, a recently-purchased SIG Sauer P320 pistol went off unexpectedly at a training range in Dwyer Hill, outside of Ottawa. On February 19, 2021, Military.com reported: A former U.S. Marine and federal agent has filed a $10 million lawsuit against Sig Sauer Inc. alleging that his holstered Sig P320 a pistol that the Army's new sidearm is based on accidentally discharged, firing a 9mm bullet into his right leg. The military has found that the pistol has a tendency to eject live rounds among other issues. This is the only post fix tale of p320 failure I have heard that is not some form of but it just went off, I didnt do nutthin! The hype leading up to the P365 was pretty intense and the LGS sold a bunch of those. One, the energy necessary to lift the striker-securing safety plunger may be insufficient due to a too-weak spring, or a too-light plunger, or some other design flaw, to reliably engage the plunger where it belongs.

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