My initial stance on this was, ok fine then my Ts account can stay up for those few that seemingly do not know anything ells outside of Ts. So the staff there tries to work Bala - Female Rigged Character 3D model 3D - TurboSquid 2034950 Marius Kalytis (founder of this place) was a 3D artist himself and took notice of the questionable policy's the established market had adopted (leaving room to do it differently). I am getting more sales on Cgtrader than TS though :P and CGtrader is easier to use. still turbosquid has the most paying clients. NoneCg I've read almost all your information regarding the public issues. I experienced this on other topics like the challenges, where CGT team took some ideas into consideration and applied some of them. It makes you blind and clueless to how a customer is actually using your product and how well it integrates in his business and future activities. That place is dead for me. If the assumption is correct that a client goes to TS by default as a reflective action, "huh, there's another site, didn't know that! Is Sketchfab better than Turbosquid and CGTrader for selling 3D - Quora Say you happen to be a great render and lighting specialist but not so well a modeler, you see this nice models that have potential but the presentation is very bad (from good modeler with no render skills). It's the artist that need to make a stand and simply take the short term loss from less traffic and exposure and join the marketplace that respects the artists. It is also wise to invest in good ideas that are future proof. CGtrader better is : Design,User friendly,royalties etc all better . This is not a "fight" between NoneCG and Turbosquid, but a struggle between different ways of doing business: the classic closed market or a more open one based on a Fair Business model and full comunication between the producer, the marketer and the customer. I can't download that lamp and see it's quality myself - so why would I purchase anything from the creator when I don't know if I'll be satisfied? The rewords for selling objects from others could for example be 1 CGcredit for tier 1, 2 for tier2, 3 for tier3, 4 for tier4 and so on. Maybe you think my words are disproportionate or naive but mark them now. That is the most important reason for them to be on CGtrader and it is essential to reward them for helping artist and the site earn money. Site itself must have significant changes to make it more attractive and more convenient to buyers, especially big buyers. Blendswap.com5. So it was sorted in your favor afterall? So that is why sites like Amazon are making a fortune. I do agree with you regarding the search engine. Same with copyright infringements, same with low quality models (a friend of mine bought recently a model here, which was supposed to be .OBJ compatible : but the seller had just exported the obj from its original program, without even editing the mtl file to have the textures loaded automatically ! If you continue to price your models higher on TurboSquid, you will will not be able to publish your content on TurboSquid, and we will temporarily take your current models offline. They have more traffic so i'm told. A shitstorm war is going on between the "Wisdom" brothers & their Top $ Corporate Investors against Marius' CGtrader, who is leading the inclusive people that don't dance to the song of dangling shiny coins in front of their eyes just for the time being and the now. And some may post a part of a set, and ad a link to the complete set, others may just do it to spread their work and name, etc. Turbosquid.com4. tax on top of a high 60% that TS keeps. [Lighthouse12](http://lighthouseapp.com/ "Lighthouse12") The more people ho place your item in their stores the higher your ranking for that product gets "in the pool that is". I understand CGtrader's management don't want to bet on one horse but it probable lives the two horses crippled in this case. In CGtrader you can accumulate many until you set up payment agreement. (just playing with ideas here) You are clearly one of the professional buyers who doesn't take advantage of the system but there are so many out there who do that and 3D sites are beginning to try to safe guard their artist's work by not making it so easy to just get everything you want for free. personally CGTrader is the second site where I realize more sales, I think we should avoid generalizing his own experience. Often offer to buy the models in 1020 times more expensive than the price at which the model was exhibited for sale. Maybe they have a much deeper interaction with the clients? I ended up terminating my account, seeing as I couldn't operate the store under such conditions - not only did I risk having the work I'd put in uploading items undone at any moment, I also had no idea what pitfalls I had to avoid to not have items taken down. What insane kind of practice is that, who owns the work then? Login to PayPal to add your account as a payment method. You must create a huge hype and create things that are unique and that connect with people. Plus, as I saw in another post, turbosquid does not let you post any links. If I run the same test on Turbosquid or The3DStudio, I get almost exclusively original characters. Site issues? Buyer can contact seller directly, which can save him/her lot's of time and frustrations. Why is CGTrader better? Search is terrible, and lost if you have to go backwards a page. I was ,,Diamond ,, since 2008, they stole items and they never gave me the money . etc That is the most important reason for them to be on CGTrader and it is essential to reward them for helping artist and the site earn money! Also, trying to find an item that I already saw through the search is near impossible. Rigged 3D Models | CGTrader 3D Models Buy or download free Rigged 3D Models Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. Yes indeed! Royalty rate of CGTrader allows the seller to make a model cheaper than on TurboSquid. Also you need to think about the advantage of not having to worry about shipping costs etc with digital art. If a company like Disney or NASA buys a model at TS, they advertise it as "Turbosquid customers buying Turbosquid models". Regarding sales, for me personally CGtrader is in lead with a small margin for almost 5 months in row now, I'm confident the difference will get even bigger (so let's be realistic Ts sales is dropping dramatically). To bad this place is ridiculously expensive, you only get 33% of your sales. Every market needs time, every business needs it. CGT is the only website that really understand both the artists and customer needs! [http://www.google.com|google11] Cgtrader cannot compare to certain 3d markets. Yeah nasty stuff, but hey, I better shut up because I'm one of the hypocrites that keeps supporting that place by having my work on it. If a model you like does not have a suitable file format, be sure to see whether the designer offers free file conversions for the model. and resurrect it without that 3dprinting nonsense. The motivation to backlink and make marketing efforts for the own store (and the collective trademark ad the same time) would probable also increase. The response back was, if they are not adjusted end of the week then we will adjust them. So then people can actually customize and make cool toys and sell them on there. Determining the optimal cost of the models is an important and difficult moment. Searching for specific terms applying to a specific model, the results on Google are nearly on first page. Ps. I think arguments of differences in search are irrelevant when someone is looking for the same model to compare prices between the two biggest players. A few weeks later, my first 3d model was sold on TS, while I had to wait 4 or 5 months to get my first sales on CGT, And the sad thing is that those sales concerned only low-priced models. What? Term of Use on www.turbosquid.com. If you have any questions about these. CGTrader has a good plateform for selling already licensed things files but not selling the licence,your trapped into owning the licence. We will rather stick with cgtrader and know our models are safe, although the issue with finding CG models on the site is a little problem, but as long as they stay honest well be supporting them rather than supporting a bunch of thiefs and if we need to up our prices then so be it. you should check out all the posts about 3D models quality. You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. What makes Cg-trader better than Turbosquid? | CGTrader Adult Female Jessy Rigged 3D Model 9. To be honest, it's hard to me to believe that such respectable people like Mantas and Eduardas would refuse to remove negative feedback if it was given without firm reason. Batman (Rig) for Maya 10. . Better for who? - It's much easier to upload products here than at TS. just share your links (: I like both but prefer cgtrader all day. Apart from this it would be nice to have a system that promotes collaborative action to make the products themselves better. - Are you interested in just some quick cash grabs and extras here and there while you can, or would you like to be able to contribute to a fair market where you can make a living out of your passion? Similar thing happened to me,that's why i'm at CGtrader full time now. I hope it goes well for cgtrader i really like this page :-). ", then there is little one can do but wait out the rebalancing. I'm planing to start new discussion on this topic in near future, so i won't go into details here, i'll just ask did anybody tried to enter same keywords in TS and CGT search field? During all these years we always felt Turbosquid favored a sort of chaos and unfair competition between sellers because they were profiting a lot from that lack of understanding and cooperation between content creators. I'm also active for some time on other marketplaces as well (e.g. Then someone ells will just create another CGt alike and Ts would have to keep buying these places ones a year, and after that it would have to buy them every month. I believe this would solve the 'bad content mixed with the quality models' problem. Hi guys, thanks so much for your very valuable comments, they are much appreciated and we are very happy to work with you in order to make CGTrader the best place for 3D designers! How about the Royalty Rate??? I would even make the prediction that most of what will be left of Ts (following months) are the exclusive sellers, they will probably get very frustrated and come over here no matter what deals they made with Ts. The classic idea of exclusivity, division and concealment as a strategy to get to a monopolistic position is bad for the industry and everyone is coming to the realization how bad it rely is. https://vimeo.com/739678 Please let us know if you have any feedback. What this shows is their weakness. Here at CGtrader you can do all of that and much much more which is awesome!! I think the TS percentage is pretty much an outrage considering the low price of the products being sold. Thanks iterateCGI, from the start we thought it will be best to expose the issues publicly, so other cg 3D sellers can see for themselves what they are exposed to when dealing with Turbosquid. On the contrary, comparing 2013 to 2014 for the exact same period (January to August) our sales INCREASED in a 45%. So the wonderful conversion work/time spend of this individual could have helped him to get a complete refund, and the two others, (hoe I have send off here) would also have been helped whit a nice maya file, and I would have sold at least two more models (Everyone would benefit). Because of its design and trade/royalty system, CGTrader seems better and more advantageous, but at the end of the day, I get much more income from Turbosquid and The3Dstudio. or I can just sell on cgt and artstationm marketplace? CGtrader is founded upon the best ideas and the people hoe believe in it and keep supporting it no matter what and hard work and determination always win. In short I propose an integration of global search ore collections made by designers. It's an example of waste of human recourses and time, because how many more are performing this same conversion work without telling? Just condemn this type of fear tactics right-away and start supporting better organizations. Looks to me like they are providing a very content creator friendly environment. Turbosquid bites the hands that feed them: Brittney Briere, Sep 18, 09:53 SST: I really enjoy the chance to get to know other people's opinions and experiences regarding how they sell, network and do business and that is something I have only been able to do here on CGT. Difference in quality of search results is shockingly vast in favor of TS. Using TurboSquid products in Browser based games. ,,Checkmate,, from TS was actually invented by Jonathan Lloyd, the person who ruined Pixel SQUID :). I didn't checked it for a while (around a year) but comparatively Cgtrader has a much more streamlined upload system compared to Turbosquid's. when the same type of issue occurs on CGTrader, the Staff policy is to do nothing. For example, I ran into this this morning. And it offers a more strategic dimension. A few months went by with my models offline and during that time my GCt sales gradually went up at a level consistent with the few sales I had left behind on Ts so I just deleted all my models at Ts. You don't even seem to get reputation points for purchasing items, assuming I've read the page correctly, and if that is the case it's just dumb. Not that I like it or want to have my objects "borrowed". The TurboSquid 3D Model License - TurboSquid Blog - Guides/Tips for sellers regarding prices/quality to minimize the undercutters problem. (e.g. Also, trying to find an item that I already saw through the search is near impossible. It is the best RR in the world ! Well, unless I can verify the quality of the model I'm not going to pay for most things. I mean the good/bad rating left by buyers. 2. I agree with the last post, searching for models should not be a pain. You could say CGt is a service platform that harbors and connects sellers and buyers of specific digital goods, in theory there's no limit to how much people and their digital products/services they could connect. I posted my first model today and have to say it was a very pleasant experience. The entire way of setting up your model seems backwards and chaotic. When you just start out you have to price your models at 1 dollar or give them away for free but the second you start selling well they take your models offline and force you to raise your prices Once you raise your prices nobody buys and you are back to square 1. I'm about to bail on this site now - unless I can find any other topics that I might be qualified to post toapparently if I'm friendly enough I can earn some points, but it's seriously unlikely that I'll find any topics to which I can actually contribute. But for the rest i do like the way cgtrader functions, more royalty rate, easy uploading and a community forum and job board. As every site takes a small cut from the sales of a model. No overt similarites in armor designs, guns, vehicles, naming- nothing. We all agree that CGT is the better site and needs to win the fight but we all need to reach out to the really influential people and make sure they start promoting the site or we won't win. They customize those figures anyway you want. There are currently no models in your cart. Turbosquid has a bot spying cgtrader prices. Hopefully we can find a way that would plrase all sides. - Crowdfunding to improve the CGtrader presence in the market. You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. Basically just like Turbosquid has done they have become the one stop shop for everything. Luckily, non of my sells on TS were refunded so far and i had 3 refunds on CGT, 2 of them was caused by technical reasons from CGT side. They should make more effort to advertise. One of the biggest problems in this country is that the games and film studios are becoming a bit of a joke and not getting the funding they used to have. What I saw after that was a 50 to 50 ration decrease on Ts and increase on my CGt account. No matter how many 3D models you need, we'll take care of it. In previous post the buyer mentioned he don't get reputation points for buying models? Like when something breaks that is no longer in production like your favorite mug or something. If they want free models then they can go elsewhere!!! Plus, if you express constructive ideas on the forums, you know you'll get listened to. f9acb067-ba84-4d38-8a65-8d3c4249a700Zoom.jpg httpswww.turbosquid.com3d-modelsfemale-rigged-3d-model1041167 --GENERAL-- This is hight quality female model with animation friendly topology. CGtrader is more in line with modern economics and following the model of open participation businesses, all these things make it have the hallmarks of successfully serving a growing team with highly ambitious members and top talented achievers (and also stronger support of the CG community itself). We had the experience of a 3d modeling agents (UKW) stealing our models before and stopped selling with them, from there on we put a small signature on each model. To be honest, when I first found this site a few days ago I was really excited. That basically says paying customers aren't allowed access to supposedly "free" items. And i cannot take care for piracy or stolen models because the 3d stuff will go in piracy anyways, doensnt matter the platform it comes from. - Limiting, perhaps, the number of objects that can be uploaded in a row, to avoid having the front page confiscated by a single seller when ticking the "newest" filter. Here it is quite seamless and elegant. We are currently working to redesign the homepage to show off both CG and 3D print ready models. I left all but . All because of search. This is due to discrimination in the pricing policy of the "TS" site. I removed the download limit until we update the protection so that buyers can download much larger quantities of free models. with the recent requirements to upload a 3D product on TS, CGT became my number one no doubt, i'm not gonna wast half my life rendering turntables that wouldn't make much of a difference when every seller is doing the same thing. They did so by making products that looked so much cooler than PCs and people were fooled and then eventually they made so much money that then they kept putting back into the product and eventually came out with the Ipad which even all Apple haters love. Offering customers best prices on TurboSquid is mandatory for all artists publishing on TurboSquid. Well, it was more than one year ago that I last intervened on this thread. Every vendor who is exclusive is losing money and customers. Buyer can contact seller directly, which can save him/her lot's of time and frustrations. There is plenty of "undercutters" everywhere and some short-sighted content developers that seem to only care about quick cash-grabs and most of the time doesn't even have enough data to state a valid opinion based on the contrast of facts over medium-long periods of time. These changes are part of the new TurboSquid Best Price Guarantee (https://resources.squid.io/?p=14893) in which we are assuring TurboSquid customers that they can always find the lowest prices on our site. Personally, I will never sign up to exclusive contracts, others should always get chances to maybe offer better job if they can. It would be great to have more of your feedback so we could make it better for buyers. Agree with every word above. I sell my shipping container which is professional model according to my buyers reviews . In fact my sells on TS are actually going down while they go up on CGt. I have it is about 5%. There are very few modelers out there who can actually support themselves financially doing this and whenever one of us sells anything it is a little like winning the lottery. With the support of a strong community we can get this thing going, don't worry about that. I was a seller on Ts for very long time but never liked it, felt the 60% cut was unjust, the aggressive tactics towards competitors was bad, the self centeredness to keep artist away from own clients was wrong, and there are many more reasons why it never felt home to me. This is why I would opt for a system which includes human sorting out capabilities. I can't download that lamp and see it's quality myself - so why would I purchase anything from the creator when I don't know if I'll be satisfied? From buyer perspective, i think CGTrader also have lots of advantages. From moment I have enough things to sell here, I would come clean with myself and close my TS account with great pleasure. If you look at the traffic statistics, TS ranks around 9k top sites, and CGT at around 42k, so obviously, people buy more at TS not because they want to spoil the sellers, but rather because they don't come to CGTrader enough and their first place to search is TS. So in this case you could say we are the asses and there's lots of us so we form a huge ass and CGt can place many chairs for us to sit on ;-) A serious problem indeed about Turbosquid is its policy of setting up barriers to avoid having a direct link to customers (this includes banning of al communication technologies). Cgtrader better sell my shoes here than ts.plus webmoney plus royalty rate. And it is convenient for the buyer and profitable for the seller. What I eventually hope to have is a healthy fair open market place, where collaboration , communication, people empowerment and evolution prevails over control systems, central power structures, monopolistic thinking, and maintaining of a status qou. If they can sell on craigslist, amazon, ebay, walmart, target, toysrus etc Of course they would only sell the 3D printable toys there, either to be printed or already printed then yes all of a sudden 3D printing would be come more relavant and profitable. Think about the kind of treatment you can expect from these soulless corporate hacks once they can play their monopoly game again. You can just buy and return it if it is not to your satisfaction. It is pretty awesome!!! Think about the best online stores today when people search for lamps on Amazon they will only find lamps in their search and that is why they keep buying on Amazon because it is a highly efficient and professional site where the buyers don't get lost or frustrated looking for what they want and can spend their time searching for the best quality product based on their budget. - Do you prefer to do business with companies that takes the most profit from your products in exchange for a short-term higher revenue? B: CGTrader needs to do SOMETHING about all the damn undercutters. And in terms of openness and freedom CGTrader is the first. I tested the CGTrader rigged character morphs for Daz3D studio from your commission and it works like a charm! So even if TS takes 60%, I still make better profit there because here I get 94% of nothing. Checkmate is the only good thing Turbosquid has left to offer. Its great way to compete and fair . "TurboSquid Support, Jun 20, 08:14 SST: I think these are questions that every 3D content creators must honestly answer for themselves. Matt Wisdom describes Turbosquid as "a sort of Ebay" when in fact Turbosquid works exactly the same as classic "supermarket providers" where the reseller profits the most from the producers by keeping them totally apart from the customers. A battle is going on right now, and some top sellers are going full #SquidClan with a custom deal from the Wisdoms: a 5-6 digit $ amount in instant cash now as an advance of a 2 year exclusivity deal, plus a boost of their royalties at the expense of all the other "non-top" sellers at Turbosquid that won't be getting any offer from Matt Wisdom. I'm not a modeler, I come here to buy models and this site is surprisingly obtuse when it comes to layout. Part of it is because they don't want to get scammed. As long as CGtrader and Marius keep leading the inclusive marketplaces with respect for the Artists and their own branding, we at NoneCG will continue to support CGtrader and Marius indefinitely, no extra shiny coins needed for us. They provide clients with pretty much everything they could possibly want at reasonable prices and have a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all their items. i have sold it to millenium shipping containers amongst other professional business. And if the buyer sees one and the same model on CGT and on TS, then the price will choose on CGTrader [/quote] Another thing that makes CGT better than TS is the friendships that one is able to make within the artist community. Which is good, since we are the ones who will bring in the profits. (I'm aware this involves many aspects) The biggest problem with TS is that it is a pyramid scheme if you have a diamond account you have a good chance of selling models but at the low levels you have no chance.

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