So the issue that he was picking up men in downtown Los Angeles was irrelevant to the case although that couldve been a lead to the killer. Together they had a baby girl, Nicole. I do. The Egyptian-born taxicab driver was sought on capital murder charges since the New Years Day 2008 shootings of his two daughters, Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and Amina Yaser Said, 18, which have been described as honor killings.. 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He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. Nope. You took my family all in one night," she said. In pleading guilty, Islam Said admitted that evidence proved he committed the crimes charged in the superseding indictment filed in November 2020. Its totally irrelevant. They portray heavily slanted and biased shows. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. WebTexas-born Patricia ("Tissie) Said, formerly of the Owens family, is the mother who lured her two teenage daughters, Sarah and Amina, to their deaths at the hands of their own father At that time he was living in Connecticut. Barry Grube, one of the few, if not only, police officers sympathetic to Patricias cause, noted that Andrew didnt seem particularly frantic while authorities searched desperately for his wife and son. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. The women testified last week. She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. Jenkins was reported missing after her vehicle was found idling with her 2-year-old son inside. Her jealousy and rage because Joann told her to not contact her husband set her off. Prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, so Said was automatically sentenced to life in prison with no parole. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. The LAPD alleged that Patricias motive was to get Jeromes insurance money, which had a value of $30,000. The trial was taking so much of my time. Senate Bill 1399, the compassionate release bill signed into law a year ago, allows prisoners who are permanently and medically incapacitated to be released from prison and into the care of family and caretakers. Through that testing, the elderly patient was confirmed to be the same woman locally known in Pittsburgh as a street preacher called The Sparrow who vanished and left her family flummoxed. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. I've been thinking about them the last two weeks every morning when I wake up and close my eyes," she said. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. The Charley Project offers details of the womans life before she went missing: She walked throughout the city, approaching strangers and telling them shed had a vision of the Virgin Mary and the world was about to end. "Justice would have been the Irving Police Department doing their job," defense attorney Joe Patton said during closing arguments. Or did they? Patricia is a evil monster. His nephew, Islam, the brother to Amina and Sarah and son to Yaser, pleaded guilty to the same charges in June 2021 and received 10 years. All of them returned without a DNA analysis because they contained no root material. I wanted to get out of there.. Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. She said that she has no idea why her ex-husband killed her daughters. Emailus. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. Your assertion that most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense is in fact nonsense the reality is that most people are easily fooled by these biased documentaries who then feel its okay to spout their tripe as if its the gospel. Very similar. "It's been an honor and privilege to stand up and be an advocate for Sarah. According to the autopsy report, Patricias husband, Jerome Scott, had only a few months to live because of a health problem involving a bloodless liver and pancreatic fibrosis. It was like living in your room and getting to go to your kitchen for one hour a day, remembers Larry Wright. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. The fact that Jerome was gay was left out of the trial altogether. Anyway, there are thousands of people who differ from that belief, that is why there is so much controversy surrounding this case, and that is why there have been numerous convicted people in the past whove been exonerated on appeal. Patricia Maybe then you will see the wrongful conviction! Theres a similar air of confusion connected to the Scott Peterson debacle. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. We were contacted by some individuals an agent from Interpol, as well as a social worker from Puerto Rico, that believed that they had her in an adult care home there in Puerto Rico, the deputy said during the press conference. It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. During the tour Alfey was able to slip away into a room that was made for a little boy. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. One of the hairs had magically developed root material to enable that. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. There was a push for a mistrial, but a 16-year prison sentence was negotiated instead. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. Alfey says that the next thing he knew his mother was being handcuffed and taken to the county jail even though the woman who was showing the model home was given back the stolen property. Some people are just monsters. During Patricias hours-long turn in the witness chair, Michael McIntyre grilled her relentlessly. You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. Amina Said's mother Patricia Owens Said was not charged with murder. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. It has very bad energy. I didnt believe it. Throughout the process, she heard many community members waiting for the proceedings to be over. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. DALLAS, Texas - A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. And I hope I can get down to see her., Were very thankful to know that Patty is alive and well, Smith added. Just one example. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. Oh my God. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. He was sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. According to Arletta Wright, Patricia needs to be driven because she has been legally blind since the age of 16. And while youre on that list, you can be happy in the knowledge youre not in rarefied company. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. Warren, who was tearful at the end of the hearing, said she is pleased with the outcome of the case, and that her office was only waiting on the outcome of Allen Prue's appeal. CHOOSE1s Three Strikes Reform Act needs 500,000 signatures by July 17 to make the November ballot, CHOOSE1 files new initiative to reform Californias Three Strikes law, The First Friday doc premieres this week at the New Parkway. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). I dont understand Partricias defenders pointing to Andrew with the dyed blond hair found at the car and murder scene. Have a tip or story idea? More than 20 years after her conviction, Patricia Rorrer still has advocates working to exonerate her. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. On June 14, 1989, Patricia Wright and her 7-year-old son, Alfey, were riding in a car driven by family friend Lawrence Slaughter. She has always denied this allegation and says that both she and Lawrence Slaughter are innocent. All rights reserved. Thats all for this post. Pat had a string of bad relationships in her past and was not happy. This article can also be seen at crimereport.com. She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. 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Well of course it is, so you overstated your opinion as though you know it to be fact, thus the jury and others were wrong; ironic because youre quick to complain that others are much to sure of *their* opinion shes guilty. As to blood splatter, at a far enough distance, a .22 isnt going to leave much blood splatter, and there probably wont be an exit wound, it will just bounce around the skull, and you dont have to make someone bleed to beat them, and several months in the elements is plenty of time to wash away some evidence as well, although luckily not all. I have to wake up every morning with the freedom that God gave me knowing that my sister is incarcerated for life and that my lies put her there, Larry wrote in a letter to the LAPD after he had been freed. Im new to the case, but there seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt. The defense argued that the 911 call is not clear and that Said was targeted by investigators because he is a Muslim. What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Blasczyk said she escaped from East Germany as a teenager when the country was under Communist leadership. I believe in Patricias innocence and she deserves to be freed, at last! which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. "I don't have any mercy for that lady," Blasczyk said, referring to Patricia Prue. Youll have to make do with what you see here. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory.. It's been a long three years for them.". Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. That poor child and that poor woman. "So it was relieving to get guilty verdict and get justice for these girls.". I am sorry it ever happened at all.". The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. There are judges, eminent lawyers and writers who are in support of her. ALL IT THEN BECOMES IS A SOURCE OF INACCURACIES AND SPECULATION, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO BOLSTER THOSE WITH THAT MENTALITY AND PERPETUATE THE LACK OF TRUTH. There are innocent people in prison. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. Dame Patricia said she was "deeply saddened" to hear of her former co-star's death. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. I noticed quite a few errors myself. Patrica Owens, Yaser Said's ex-wife, testified before the jury Thursday morning and said why she fled her home with her daughters only to return days before they were He was captured in August and is in state custody. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. At the time of the killings, police said that there had been domestic problems in the family and that they were exploring all possible motives for the slayings. The teens were found shot multiple times in a cab outside an Irving motel after one of them called 911, saying she was dying, authorities said. And why would the judge not let the information about Jerome being a homosexual be known to the jury.. Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. Not sure why anyone is defending her. You should be ashamed of yourself. Both wanted to be doctors. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. The Prues were accused of luring Jenkins, a single mother, from her rural home and then strangling and beating her to death. At 6 a.m. on June 24, 1997, police arrested Patricia at her modest house in Linwood, North Carolina, and took her back to Pennsylvania. After Joann Katrinak, the wife of Patricias former flame, turned up dead along with her infant son, prosecutors suspected Patricia. Just consider all your nasty posts about others opinions and learn to attack the argument, not the arguer with insults. Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. And because some of Patricias advocates have suggested Andrew Katrinak had a motive for murder, I checked into whether he had a life insurance payout to gain upon Joanns demise. Her mother was married to my uncle. Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. DNA also doesnt lie. I dont think so. Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. Theres speculation and theres lies period. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. "I'm not sorry we were caught. The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. And Patricia did live in another state. If the answer is no, enough said! Conflicting versions. She believed she was chosen as one of Gods 144,000 bond servants on earth, and gave up all her other hobbies, such as dancing, to devote her life to spreading the word of God. The Dallas Morning News revealed that Patricia said, "All I can say is there's going to be justice," after waiting for 12 years of pain of losing her children. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. As to her duration on death row, no: inference cannot be made as to her guilt as theres a woman with about the same time (Holberg) and another with almost as much. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? Yaser Said's ex-wife Patricia Owens gives victim statement after guilty verdict Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. "I want to apologize personally for the fact that my husband wasn't a strong enough human being to admit his wrongs and be able to take his rightful punishment willingly," she said. because theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. Unbloody vehicle. The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. What definition? Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. "The family has been very patient. Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. No explanation given. Men who murder are conventional, women are sensational, posits the Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Network. The state police dropped him as a suspect. I decided to take the toys and hide them so my mother wouldnt see them, said Alfey, who is now 29 years old. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. Prosecutors say a 911 call from the night of the murders proves that Said is guilty. New state, new man. He says he "feared for his life" and left the girls in the cab alive as he ran away. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. Ms. It was just assumed to be crib death. Nine. In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! She took out the woman who replaced her. Within about seven months of Larry being placed in a maximum-security prison, the LAPD paid him a visit. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. Great communicator. Patricia complied fully with the original investigation of the crime and wasnt a suspect because none of the blood or fingerprints found at the crime scene matched hers. Black said she was glad Said took the witness stand, giving her the chance to poke holes in his story, exposing him to everyone who has been watching this case. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. Crystal Carter is a Bay Area-based reporting fellow with the Center for Media, Crime and Justice in the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York (CUNY). I thought the same. Jenkins' violent death shocked residents of the Northeast Kingdom, including Gerta Blasczyk of St. Johnsbury. Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line.

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